Comments on: Pseudoscience http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/ With Sake, nothing tastes better than Olives. But you would have to be a Levantine living in Japan to know that. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:14:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: yaman http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4596 yaman Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:57:21 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4596 I wish I had included your older post, Wassim. In any case, I'm quite happy cheering on the bewildered herd. I wish I had included your older post, Wassim. In any case, I’m quite happy cheering on the bewildered herd.

]]> By: Maysaloon http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4585 Maysaloon Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:45:48 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4585 Thanks Yazan, you know it just wouldn't be the same with out me. Thanks Yazan, you know it just wouldn’t be the same with out me.

]]> By: Yazan http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4582 Yazan Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:16:28 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4582 Razan, DJ, Abu Kareem, Abu Fares and myself being the Bewildered herd with the bankrupt morality. :) Always fun to have you here Wassim, and good luck on your moral crusade. Razan, DJ, Abu Kareem, Abu Fares and myself being the Bewildered herd with the bankrupt morality. :)

Always fun to have you here Wassim, and good luck on your moral crusade.

]]> By: Maysaloon http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4579 Maysaloon Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:48:32 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4579 Yaman, You are correct in your assumptions, though perhaps flaky on your reading of Islamic texts, but nonetheless, your claim that the categories of "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are made up is spot on. Just to remind you that this is amongst the claims I made in a previous post on the subject which might interest some of our more enthusiastic protagonists in this sham of a debate. http://maysaloon.blogspot.com/2008/06/evil-homosexuality-arab-and-islamic.html I would not support this campaign, but I would certainly not be amongst the voices you mentioned in your Kabobfest article championing this idiocy. I'm disappointed that you allow other ideological and philosophical commitments you hold to put you in a position where you cater, as you did in that article, to the bankrupt morality of the bewildered herd. Yaman,
You are correct in your assumptions, though perhaps flaky on your reading of Islamic texts, but nonetheless, your claim that the categories of “homosexual” and “heterosexual” are made up is spot on. Just to remind you that this is amongst the claims I made in a previous post on the subject which might interest some of our more enthusiastic protagonists in this sham of a debate.

http://maysaloon.blogspot.com/2008/06/evil-homosexuality-arab-and-islamic.html

I would not support this campaign, but I would certainly not be amongst the voices you mentioned in your Kabobfest article championing this idiocy. I’m disappointed that you allow other ideological and philosophical commitments you hold to put you in a position where you cater, as you did in that article, to the bankrupt morality of the bewildered herd.

]]> By: yaman http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4578 yaman Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:25:54 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4578 I don't believe in science <i>or</i> religion, but I definitely find it extremely amusing that this homophobic campaign feels so weak in its moral claims and values that it must resort to a false version of science for back-up. That said, it is apparent they have very little understanding even of the religious claims. I haven't researched this extensively, but I don't think there is anything in the Islamic texts to indicate the existence either of people called heterosexuals or homosexuals. These are both made up categories and self-identifications. That is not meant to undermine them, but rather to point out that they are categories that cannot be anachronistically inserted into a religious jurisprudential discourse. For the sake of argument, there is probably nothing wrong from an Islamic perspective with "being a homosexual." The only wrong, perhaps, is being a sexually-active homosexual. But that, supposedly, is just as wrong as cheating on your spouse or having a sexual relation outside of wedlock. I don’t believe in science or religion, but I definitely find it extremely amusing that this homophobic campaign feels so weak in its moral claims and values that it must resort to a false version of science for back-up. That said, it is apparent they have very little understanding even of the religious claims. I haven’t researched this extensively, but I don’t think there is anything in the Islamic texts to indicate the existence either of people called heterosexuals or homosexuals. These are both made up categories and self-identifications. That is not meant to undermine them, but rather to point out that they are categories that cannot be anachronistically inserted into a religious jurisprudential discourse. For the sake of argument, there is probably nothing wrong from an Islamic perspective with “being a homosexual.” The only wrong, perhaps, is being a sexually-active homosexual. But that, supposedly, is just as wrong as cheating on your spouse or having a sexual relation outside of wedlock.

]]> By: Maysaloon http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4572 Maysaloon Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:58:02 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4572 Yazan, Well as they say a knowledgeable enemy is better than an ignorant friend. By the way I would agree with your position if there was no Allah and in that case anything goes, but because there is, and because He has told people not to do this, I follow His guidelines. If I were her I would not need to use such a weak backing to my position, still, each to their own. I still say that at least she's made an effort and to ridicule and dismiss her without engaging what is in fact a very valid and brave position to take, especially in today's morally bankrupt climate, is a little unfair to say the least. Razan, I don't enjoy hurting you here or elsewhere. What I do commit myself to is not accepting the wrong wherever it is and if that means telling the truth about the ignorance of your positions then I must do it as a moral obligation. I know it hurts, but I just can't be a part of your deterioration, which has taken place slowly over the past few years. Unlike people who clap and cheer you in the sad claims you make, I don't find it funny in the slightest and, lest an unwitting reader actually take you seriously, it is important for at least one person to always stand in the face of moral and intellectual bankruptcy. Finally I think you know quite well that I've dealt with your arguments here and elsewhere effectively, and I'm always ready to do so. When I call you ignorant it's not because I'm getting rid of you, it is because it is true and I challenge anyone to show otherwise. Knowing you are ignorant is not an insult, it just opens the door to learning. Yazan,
Well as they say a knowledgeable enemy is better than an ignorant friend. By the way I would agree with your position if there was no Allah and in that case anything goes, but because there is, and because He has told people not to do this, I follow His guidelines. If I were her I would not need to use such a weak backing to my position, still, each to their own. I still say that at least she’s made an effort and to ridicule and dismiss her without engaging what is in fact a very valid and brave position to take, especially in today’s morally bankrupt climate, is a little unfair to say the least.

Razan,
I don’t enjoy hurting you here or elsewhere. What I do commit myself to is not accepting the wrong wherever it is and if that means telling the truth about the ignorance of your positions then I must do it as a moral obligation. I know it hurts, but I just can’t be a part of your deterioration, which has taken place slowly over the past few years. Unlike people who clap and cheer you in the sad claims you make, I don’t find it funny in the slightest and, lest an unwitting reader actually take you seriously, it is important for at least one person to always stand in the face of moral and intellectual bankruptcy. Finally I think you know quite well that I’ve dealt with your arguments here and elsewhere effectively, and I’m always ready to do so. When I call you ignorant it’s not because I’m getting rid of you, it is because it is true and I challenge anyone to show otherwise. Knowing you are ignorant is not an insult, it just opens the door to learning.

]]> By: Razan http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4570 Razan Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:25:25 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4570 Yazan, I just want to clarify that my comment wasnt about science refuting Islam or values at all, I was talking about two arguments that we see in the blogsphere against homosexuality, one that is based on religion, fixed values and what have you, and the other is trying to look academic and scientific. Now my comment is simply saying that it is easier to refute the "argument" that is based on "science" than to refute the "argument" that is based on religion, values...for reasons I mentioned on the previous comment. Wassim, this is not the first time nor the last i am afraid that you enjoy to hurt me in comment section of people's blogs. I think you should know that I have no mutual feelings towards you nor to other bloggers who despise and there are quite of them. I get angry sometimes but i do think things over when i calm down but i am afraid that's not your case nor the case of others. that's quite unfortunate cause it's easier to get rid of people than dealing with them. Yazan, I just want to clarify that my comment wasnt about science refuting Islam or values at all, I was talking about two arguments that we see in the blogsphere against homosexuality, one that is based on religion, fixed values and what have you, and the other is trying to look academic and scientific.
Now my comment is simply saying that it is easier to refute the “argument” that is based on “science” than to refute the “argument” that is based on religion, values…for reasons I mentioned on the previous comment.

Wassim, this is not the first time nor the last i am afraid that you enjoy to hurt me in comment section of people’s blogs. I think you should know that I have no mutual feelings towards you nor to other bloggers who despise and there are quite of them. I get angry sometimes but i do think things over when i calm down but i am afraid that’s not your case nor the case of others. that’s quite unfortunate cause it’s easier to get rid of people than dealing with them.

]]> By: Yazan http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4569 Yazan Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:08:51 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4569 Wassim, Spare me your guilt dance will you. She is "quoting" a book that (even in the mere quotes) makes so disgustingly obvious and shallow factual errors that it isn't even worth a mention. Take a look at the book yourself, won't you! http://www.amazon.com/My-Genes-Made-Me-Do/dp/1563841657/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Wassim,

Spare me your guilt dance will you. She is “quoting” a book that (even in the mere quotes) makes so disgustingly obvious and shallow factual errors that it isn’t even worth a mention.

Take a look at the book yourself, won’t you!
http://www.amazon.com/My-Genes-Made-Me-Do/dp/1563841657/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

]]> By: Maysaloon http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4568 Maysaloon Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:57:40 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4568 I would argue that poor Farah has done more of an effort in backing up her argument than our disastrous have-a-go Syrian heroes of "science" have done in some of the posts I've read so far. She's certainly done more than copy and paste somebody else's response to a different issue, thinking it the ultimate put-down just because the "authority" of Carl Sagan said it. You are angered because she has challenged the sanctity of science as <b>you</b> understand it, daring to question what she sees as wrong and daring to formulate an argument against it in whatever capacity she is able to do , bless her cotton sock!. I think it is you and some of the readers above who should listen to Carl Sagan and practice what you preach. I would argue that poor Farah has done more of an effort in backing up her argument than our disastrous have-a-go Syrian heroes of “science” have done in some of the posts I’ve read so far. She’s certainly done more than copy and paste somebody else’s response to a different issue, thinking it the ultimate put-down just because the “authority” of Carl Sagan said it. You are angered because she has challenged the sanctity of science as you understand it, daring to question what she sees as wrong and daring to formulate an argument against it in whatever capacity she is able to do , bless her cotton sock!. I think it is you and some of the readers above who should listen to Carl Sagan and practice what you preach.

]]> By: Yazan http://yazanbadran.com/blog/2009/03/pseudoscience/comment-page-1/#comment-4566 Yazan Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:13:07 +0000 http://yazanbadran.com/blog/?p=721#comment-4566 Wassim, This post was not about religion in any way, and certainly not about Islam. Religion and Science belong to two different worlds, I'm afraid. It is not my mission, nor my duty to refute Islam (regardless of whether that is possible or not), and this was certainly not the point of this post or any other. The furthest I would go to is to explain why I don't consider myself a Muslim, but again this post is not about that either. It is a simple reaction when someone speaks so foolishly in the name of Science. This post was in response to the absurdity of the "Scientific" arguments everyone seemed to be bringing. I think it was a well deserved reply, and an invitation for them to read about what Science is. I am glad you share the same feeling about Sagan, and I am still not sure what is it in this post that you object to? (Just in case my english failed me in the introduction, my anger comes because these "Scientific evidences" they bring are an insult to Science, not because their belief is). Wassim,
This post was not about religion in any way, and certainly not about Islam. Religion and Science belong to two different worlds, I’m afraid.

It is not my mission, nor my duty to refute Islam (regardless of whether that is possible or not), and this was certainly not the point of this post or any other. The furthest I would go to is to explain why I don’t consider myself a Muslim, but again this post is not about that either. It is a simple reaction when someone speaks so foolishly in the name of Science. This post was in response to the absurdity of the “Scientific” arguments everyone seemed to be bringing. I think it was a well deserved reply, and an invitation for them to read about what Science is.

I am glad you share the same feeling about Sagan, and I am still not sure what is it in this post that you object to?

(Just in case my english failed me in the introduction, my anger comes because these “Scientific evidences” they bring are an insult to Science, not because their belief is).

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